Windows forced on too you. Why?

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    SirJoe

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    I was looking through YouTube and found this interesting monologue. He has some good points.


     
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    fcuco

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    Of course they need to force people since they changed their whole business model, they no longer want to sell Operating System licenses, they now want to monetize their installations. That's why they now offer the operating system for free, since the money starts coming in for them after you install it. They only way for them to maximize their profits now is to have as many Windows 10 installations as they possibly can, plus, I am guessing, since the whole thing is a data gathering scheme the larger the data sets, or the more people they get to extract information from, the better for all the ways in which they plan to mine that data to extract marketable information.

    Windows 10 is not free, you are going to be paying for it in other ways, no problem if you are OK with that and clearly understand this new business model.
     
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    Let's not forget Windows 10 was a complete disaster on some machines when it launched. I'm not sure if every manufacturer got their drivers and whatnot up to snuff, but I went back to Windows 8.1 because I had enough of my laptop freezing and downright crashing on Windows 10 after upgrading.
     
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    My computer seems to have stopped freezing and crashing since I upgraded to Win 10. It used to do the blue screen of death at least once a month or so, but not recently since 10 got involved. I don't know what the deal is, but I've noticed that my new operating system no longer likes Internet Explorer, and prefers Google Chrome or Firefox...or practically anything BUT I.E.
     
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    THe browser built in to Windows 10 is "Edge."
     
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    Good video, but it's shocking that people don't already see or realize this from 10 to 20 years ago already. Microsoft hasn't changed what they are doing in this way, they've just made it more blatant and obvious to the point that they don't even care if the users see it and are brazen enough to continue thinking that people will simply bend and agree to the complete and total compromise of their data, their privacy, their hardware, and everything they thought was theirs. I used to wonder if there was a limit to how far or how long Microsoft could make slaves out of people, but now I see clearly that there isn't a limit or they would not have been able to keep going after Vista was released on the public.

    When people were still ok with what they did, and even adopted Windows 7 as a replacement for XP (willingly before it was forced on them through hardware vendors and third party programs refusing to run on XP), it was then that I knew it was over for users to have the chance to realize and choose against what was being done step by step. They're just falling off into the digital void of totalitarian control and compromise of their info and they don't even seem to care?
     
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    The option is there, but as long as I don't say yes, it won't download the installer for Windows 10. I still have my Windows 7 right now, and it has been my OS for the past four years or so. What really bothers me is that people actually get pop ups and notifications saying it's a "free" upgrade, but there are really lots of things wrong with W10 in my opinion. You actually have ads on built-in games, and programs and other functions work differently. It's a whole new OS that you have to learn from scratch, and I really don't have the patience to relearn all of it.
     
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    Yes, this is what worries me the most, that and all the awful things that have been told about this operating system. Only time will tell if this new business model will work, but I guess it will... I mean, look at all those mobile games! The developers of crappy games like Candy Crush are now multimillionaires! So I guess this will be a success as well :( I think of this as a ''in game purchases'', it sucks.
     
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    Internet Explorer is deprecated and only included for backwards compatibility. The new browser included in Windows 10 is Edge. Frequent BSODs may indicate a hardware problem that while no longer crashing Windows could still be present.
     
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    But those two things are not exactly the same, free games are very clear in their intentions: they are supported by ads that you can choose to ignore or by micro transactions so you can buy boosters and stuff to give you an advantage. The Windows 10 thing is much more insidious, because, as far as I know, little game apps can't and won't collect and categorize your private information to study it and sell it to third parties. The worst that you can say about something like Candy Crush is that it is a monumental waste of time, but they are not tricking you into getting something for free without being very clear about what are they getting in return: your data.
     
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    You need to read some license agreements. There are several of these games that do in fact resell your info to third parties. In fact a lot of software and web apps do and have been doing this for several years. It is ignorant to assume this level of privacy issues is unique to or even started with Windows 10. Most of the people in a flap about Windows 10 have unknowingly exposed all of their personal data for several years already. They have already had their info sold and resold time after time.

    I have been involved in computers and tech since before the internet was commonly used or readily available to the average Joe. I can tell you with a measure of expertise in the matter that this isn't new and it happens with multiple products from many companies and developers. What Microsoft is doing isn't all that new or unique.
     
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    Yep. It was going on back when 1200 baud was the rage and sneaker net was still popular. It just wasn't as much, or as often by volume or per user. Now, it's a buffet. They can select any number of people they want at any given time for the best results. It's a digital smorgasboard for the professional hacker, the lesser script-kiddie, or the information harvester of any degree between...but it's rather scary (or at least it should be?) to the people using today's technology and yesterday's before it.

    The problem was created by people using things they didn't have full awareness to, control of, or understanding of...and the fact that they were marketed technology they were told they didn't have to know.

    The truth is that you always have to know what it is, how it works, how it can be used by you, and how it can be used against you if you're not careful. If you forsake any of these things...they can, and they will, use it against you for your own gain out there in the world.

    We have an entire generation of children growing up on technology now who are not aware of this because only a fraction of the people who had those children were aware of it from the get-go.

    Fortunately, people don't do many things that information retention specialists would be interested in obtaining. But there is enough (between banking info and identity) that makes it still worth their while to put out a few honeypots or lure users through spoofed emails and whatnot to get what they want in some ways. The rest are the big fish, but the people are often the shield to protect them from the trail. So even if you think you're not at risk, even for that, you might still be.
     
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    Yep. And Microsoft is now trying to act like users are going to casually do this to not have their systems forcibly changed to Windows 10. (They'd be better off using RemoveWat or another tool to pull out all the updates and keep them out): Microsoft's support for forced Windows 10 updates.
     
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